russia and georgia, the war |
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russia and georgia, the war |
 Aug 12 2008, 01:08 PM
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 Let it Snow!!! 
Posts: 3,879 Joined: 31-March 05 From: Russia with Love Name: Anastacia 
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hey guys im really concerned about those things going on in georgia and south ossetia. and im also concerned about the europes and us' opinions on this subject. most of them consider russia as the main agressors but this isnt true! georgians were first to attack and all we could do is defend south ossetia, and now all these english speaking resourses like bbc and cnn write that we are assholes and desided to test our power on poor georgia!!!! this is crap!!  innocenrt people die there every day, but the georgian president doesnt even bother to sign the peace agreement and attacks ossetia again!!!!  i just wanted to know YOUR opinion about all this thanks |
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Aug 12 2008, 01:37 PM
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 Very sour nibblet 
Posts: 4,857 Joined: 1-May 04 From: Under the sea Name: Börge
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Russia might not be the main agressor but they aren't innocent either, there are always two sides to a war. Both Russia AND Georgia are to blame. Though this thing might explode internationally now, today a Dutch cameraman died in a bombing by the Russians on Gori. Oddly enough Russia decided to pull out right after that happened. |
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Aug 12 2008, 02:00 PM
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Let it Snow!!!
Posts: 3,879 Joined: 31-March 05 From: Russia with Love Name: Anastacia
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aw im really sorry for the cameraman russians did bomb Gori but they only bombed military objects but not civil |
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Aug 14 2008, 02:02 AM
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One of the Best LL Fans
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QUOTE Georgia defeats Russia at Olympic beach volleyball The competitors embraced each other before the match but the event soon turned sour when the defeated Russians latched on the fact that the Georgian team was not strictly speaking Georgian. Cristine Saka and and Andrezza Rtvelo, the "Georgian" pair, are Brazilian-born with adopted Georgian names and do not speak their "native" language. "We're not actually playing against the Georgian team," said Natalya Uryadova, one of the two Russian players, after losing by two sets to one. "Rather we are playing against Brazilian friends here." Her partner, Alexandra Shiryaeva, added: "If they were Georgian it certainly would be interesting. "But they are not. They don't know who is the president of Georgia, I am sure." The adopted Georgians, whose real names are Cristine Santana and Andrezza Chagas, insisted they did - or at least that they knew his wife. They explained that they had recently taken Georgian citizenship at the invitation of President Mikheil Saakashvili's wife Sandra. They said they were very proud of their new nation, and hoped to explore it soon. "I would like to spend two weeks getting to know the place," said Miss Santana. They had strong feelings at facing the Russians at this moment of crisis for their new homeland. "Of course beach volleyball is better than war," said Miss Santana. She added that she had been with the Georgian team in spirit when they wanted to go home to be with their families, before the president countermanded them. She herself was keen to stay, though. "After all, I would be going home to Brazil." She added: "We were fair. We did not ask the Russians what they thought of their invasion of Georgia, but we did ask if they had been influenced by the situation". beach volley is better than war  peace |
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Aug 15 2008, 02:17 PM
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 A Super-Devoted LL Fan 
Posts: 251 Joined: 7-November 07 From: Singapore Name: Cecil
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Yup the Western media focuses only on the Georgian civilians suffering from the Russia military intervention, but not the South Ossetian people's suffering at the hands of the Georgian army.
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Aug 15 2008, 02:56 PM
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 Easy, Breezy, Beautiful
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I heard about this today from my friend but I never actually understand it. From what I know Russia want Georgia back or something? Mind explain this to me?
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Aug 15 2008, 05:44 PM
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Let it Snow!!!
Posts: 3,879 Joined: 31-March 05 From: Russia with Love Name: Anastacia
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come on Russia doesnt need Georgia. this is stupid.. why would it need it? russia is way too big without georgia  everything started because georgians attacked Ossetia, because they wanted to occupy South Ossetia, and Russia started to defed ossetian people, but Georgians didnt stop, georgian president kept giving instructions to kill not only innocent(!) ossetian people but russian peace keepers too this is how a war started. thats all idont know what this president wanted to prove to all of us, maybe he wanted to enter nato quickly? all i now is that he was trying to involve other countries in this war anyway he sucked but sadly - america and some european countries (im not sure about asian) - they say we are the aggressors, that we dont respect other countries, and as usual - this is our fault  , they didnt even bother to tell people that georgian president was killing women and children in Tskhinvali, while our peace keepers were helping people who survived to reconstruct the ruined citythe thing is that russia is not vindictive, we always give help to those who need it, trying to find a compromise, no matter what happens. but some people dont give a damn about it and thanx Cecil for the support This post has been edited by NastY: Aug 15 2008, 05:52 PM |
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Aug 15 2008, 05:54 PM
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Very sour nibblet
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I think you might be explaining it a bit one sided there. If that's what the media tells you it doesn't mean that much though, the Russian media (which are conveniently owned by the government) aren't exactly known as objective. One main thing you forgot to mention is that South Ossetia wants to join Russia, so there is land in dispute. Russia is helping them in that and that's why the foreign governments say that they should respect the Georgian borders. |
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Aug 15 2008, 06:16 PM
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Let it Snow!!!
Posts: 3,879 Joined: 31-March 05 From: Russia with Love Name: Anastacia
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yes you are right.. but you all know the point of view of the rest of the world, and now im telling you our spect of view, and - dont take that as something negative or sumth like that - the one who knows the subject best is russia because it was involved in this thing directly, not america, not europe QUOTE One main thing you forgot to mention is that South Ossetia wants to join Russia, so there is land in dispute. Russia is helping them in that and that's why the foreign governments say that they should respect the Georgian borders. yes it is but, if the nation (ossetians) dont want to be a part of Georgia, why not let them go? or at least sign their inviolability by Georgia (by the way.. this is what our president wanted to make last months, but Saakhashvili kept saying this is stupid and theres no need to doing this because Georgia wouldnt apply violence to its own nation - and....now we all see what happened! this is a crime against his own nation, he appears to be a criminal ) This post has been edited by NastY: Aug 15 2008, 06:22 PM |
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Aug 16 2008, 05:48 AM
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A Super-Devoted LL Fan
Posts: 251 Joined: 7-November 07 From: Singapore Name: Cecil
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Georgia is definitely not an innocent victim they want the world to think they are. They made a brash and implusive move by attempting to seize South Ossetia during the Olympics, thinking that no one, including Russia, would notice, insteading of having the chance to hv peace talks with the breakaway province. The funny thing is, after receiving a couple of hard slaps by Russia, Georgia went crying to the UN like a spoilt kid 
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Aug 17 2008, 11:54 AM
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Very sour nibblet
Posts: 4,857 Joined: 1-May 04 From: Under the sea Name: Börge
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Just one I have to point about how "innocent" Russia is in all of this, the Russian military is not retreating but is actually going deeper into Georgia and started to loot the country.
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Aug 17 2008, 03:40 PM
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A Super-Devoted LL Fan
Posts: 251 Joined: 7-November 07 From: Singapore Name: Cecil
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QUOTE (bvang @ Aug 17 2008, 05:54 AM)  Just one I have to point about how "innocent" Russia is in all of this, the Russian military is not retreating but is actually going deeper into Georgia and started to loot the country. If you read the reports carefully, you will notice that it is actually the angry Ossetians that are doing the looting, not the Russian troops who are merely deploying their troops in strategic positions. |
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Aug 17 2008, 03:50 PM
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Very sour nibblet
Posts: 4,857 Joined: 1-May 04 From: Under the sea Name: Börge
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So the video footage of Russian soldiers (in uniform) taking stuff is faked then? Even if they are locals the Russian military is there and they aren't stopping it, makes them just as guilty. Though if there is a cease fire and they signed an accord, why the hell are they still there?
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Aug 17 2008, 06:59 PM
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Let it Snow!!!
Posts: 3,879 Joined: 31-March 05 From: Russia with Love Name: Anastacia
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if you are talking about a video you should give the link to it i suppose? plus our president clearly said that russian forces will leave georgia on monday |
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Aug 17 2008, 07:04 PM
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Very sour nibblet
Posts: 4,857 Joined: 1-May 04 From: Under the sea Name: Börge
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Your generals said something else, which at the point I posted it at was still quite unclear. I can't exaclty link you to videos I saw on TV. It was on Dutch TV all day and the footage was quite clear, you can take my word for it. Not everything makes it on youtube and I don't see the point in looking if it's there anyway.
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Aug 17 2008, 08:00 PM
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Let it Snow!!!
Posts: 3,879 Joined: 31-March 05 From: Russia with Love Name: Anastacia
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come on i just saw the news on tv where medvedev said "russian forces will leave georgia on monday. i tend to believe what i see what do you got? can you 100% rely on a news resources in the internet? This post has been edited by NastY: Aug 17 2008, 08:00 PM |
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Aug 17 2008, 08:06 PM
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Very sour nibblet
Posts: 4,857 Joined: 1-May 04 From: Under the sea Name: Börge
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Shows how closely you follow the news, the Russian military (the highest general within the Russian armed forces) announced that they were retreating. A statement which was revoked by the Russian government later on, they said monday. So both statements were issued, the on Monday thing is a correction on an earlier statement. I didn't go by internet sources I went by the Dutch NOS news. |
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Aug 17 2008, 08:44 PM
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Let it Snow!!!
Posts: 3,879 Joined: 31-March 05 From: Russia with Love Name: Anastacia
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well i can say the same to you too, i mean the 'follow the news' thing. and i can also say that, we all now know that different countries have different points of view on this subject, so the real truth may be lost between all these stories told on tv and in newspapers. and the fact that some governments are trying to bring people the false information has become clear today as we all saw this south ossetian girl interview to the fox news, where as soon as she started to claim that georgians were killing innocent people and so on, they jtried to interrupt her and her aunt and then just switched the airing off! ok then, returning to russian forces. i guess we have to wait until moday, see what happens tomorrow and make conclusions then. 
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Aug 17 2008, 08:51 PM
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Very sour nibblet
Posts: 4,857 Joined: 1-May 04 From: Under the sea Name: Börge
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Fox News? That is the news station with pretty much the worst reputation in all of the Western world, I wouldn't pay any attention to them. As for the points of view, the Russian media are censored and that's not a matter of opinion that's a well known fact throughout the world, so if you want a clear image of what's going on simply ignore them. I do follow the news and I make my own opinions, you corrected me on a post which at the time was a correct statement you simply didn't know about it. You believe everything the Russian media feeds you, big mistake. Just to clarify, I never said that the Russians are the guilty party in all of this, I said that in my first post. |
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Aug 17 2008, 09:26 PM
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Let it Snow!!!
Posts: 3,879 Joined: 31-March 05 From: Russia with Love Name: Anastacia
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yeah i remember that post  im just trying to tell you the different point of view, because everybody knows it in the colours america and its followers see, but only a few show the another one. just to mention - i follow the news too, not only russian but ccn and bbc as well, and i have the general conception (me, only 17 years old cant know and understand all nuances). but still, from what i know, i mostly hold the pro russian opinion, and i have the right to do this, because we were there when everything started, not america whos sitting there over the ocean and supporting saakhashvili, and this really makes me sad. and i want to ask, about the post where i corrected you, you meant #15, right? yes i didnt know that, but the one who makes final conclusion is the president right? (if generals didnt come up after pesidents say of course) and a small note about the video you saw on tv.. you know.. i have already seen some pictures saying sumth like "russian soldiers attack georgian army" but in reality if yuo look better you can see that those 'russian soldiers' have georgian exterior and vice versa so why not let the theory about misinformation be??? This post has been edited by NastY: Aug 17 2008, 09:40 PM |
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